Tuesday, March 2, 2010

What's new on Ron Paul's website?

I'm taking one of my occasional strolls through the strange world of Ron Paul's campaign website -- just checking out the peculiar scenery and reporting back to you about what I've seen. The Campaign For Liberty website, formerly known as the Ron Paul Forum (one of his 2008 presidential campaign's official websites), is now a place where his supporters gather to discuss issues and organize present and future campaigns. I've taken a quick look at what's been published by these Ron Paul supporters within the past several weeks, and what's been allowed by the websites moderators.

Here's a post called "Become a Political Activist" written by Larry Flinchpaugh. This post starts with the standard Ron Paul party line:
"One of the greatest crimes ever perpetrated against this country was the Federal Reserve Act passed in 1913..."
but quickly gets to the point:

Were you aware that in most wars the same international bankers financed both sides of the conflict? If you do not believe this, I encourage you to do some research to see who financed the Bolshevik Revolution and the Allied and Axis powers during World War l and World War ll. Now, compare the foreign policy of the United States today that continues to give billions of dollars and military aid each year to Israel and also money to the Palestinians. When is this insanity going to end?

In many countries of Europe today any remarks or criticism about Israel or comments questioning the details of the "Holocaust" could land you in jail. Moreover if the United States Global Anti-Semitic Review Act of 2004 were enforced in this country, the same thing could happen here. Due to the news media's silence on this issue most people don't even know that this act exists, or how serious of a threat it is to our constitutional rights of "Freedom of Speech."

My book "Secrets of our Hidden Controllers Revealed" elaborates on the issues discussed here and, hopefully, will encourage the public to begin researching these issues, so that they can prepare themselves to elect those politicians that will make the necessary changes to once, again, make this the greatest country in the world!

This writer then spells out his platform in a series of bullet points, starting with standard libertarian fare, then descending to the following:

(12) Prohibit the military industrial complex companies, the elite banking interests, the oil companies, and the Israeli lobby from dictating United States foreign policy.

(13) Revise high school and college text books to include honest discussions of the Federal Reserve Banking System, Fractional Reserve Banking, the origin of money, the history of the House of Rothschild banking interests, and the part that Wall Street investment groups like the Carlyle Group, Goldman Sachs and Blackstone have on our country's monetary and foreign policies.

Include discussions of groups like the "Council on Foreign Relations", the "Bilderbergers", The "Trilateral Commission", and the "International Monetary Fund." Explain how members of these groups, which, by the way, are not elected, control the domestic and foreign policies of this country.


(18) Repeal the Global Anti-Semitic Review Act of 2004 that makes it illegal to criticize the country of Israel or individual Jews.

(19) Learn to make use of "Initiatives" and Referendums" (ballot measures or propositions) at the state level, if your legislature fails to act in a responsible way.

Note: Prepare your own platform list and then pressure your representatives to make the necessary changes to cure our ailing nation. Make it clear that you intend to vote for only those candidates who support the majority of these issues.

Don't be tricked by those who want you to believe that this is a battle between the Democrats' and the Republicans' ideologies. Regardless of your party affiliations these are the issues that will continue to affect you, your children, great grandchildren, and even their children. It is imperative that you address these issues and be a part of the movement for real change.

J. Larry Flinchpaugh, author of "Secrets of Our Hidden Controllers Revealed" lflinch@stjoelive.com 816-676-2565 February 2010


Flinchpaugh, in addition to blogging for the Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty website and writing his self-published book, also acts as a local coordinator for the Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty in St. Joseph, Missouri. (Read here.) The Global Anti-Semtism Review Act of 2004 (read here), which he argues will end free speech and bring down the republic, mandates only that the U.S. State Department issue an annual report on acts of anti-Semitic violence and propaganda promoting such acts. It in no way penalizes discussion about Jews or Israel as Flinchpaugh claims. In fact, it doesn't call for penalties of any kind -- just reporting on violence and promotion of violence.

Let's move on to the next oddity, an odd little blog post which takes O'Reilly's War on Christmas meme to a new level of Glenn Beck paranoia (read here). This post decries the

unison of all religious beliefs under the authoritarian phrase 'happy holidays'...

(W)hy does any faith have to water down its own beliefs by being inclusive with another belief(?) Jews clearly don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah while Christians do so why do these two faiths have to share a holiday together? Don't they oppose each other naturally? ...

The authoritarian has told us this lie in order to collectivize every individual into a single mass of one collective personal identity... (T)hen the only thing he has to do is to manipulate that single identity in order to manipulate the entire mass.
Who knew that saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" during the holiday season would lead to a communist dictatorship? I was sad to see that the author of this post was Thomas Paine. His work has really gone downhill.

Moving onward, we come to a dark place of the soul, a post called (oddly) "Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, et alia, Financial Terrorists". The author, who calls himself huntingtonsteam, fears that Satan's minions brought about the world financial crisis to bring about the Apocalypse. It's incoherence makes it hard to summarize, so here's an extended excerpt:

The government refusing to let us use real silver and gold coins as money and forcing us by legal tender laws to continue using Fed notes may very well be leading up to a type of the cashless society of Rev 13 or the actual Rev 13 end times.

The Establishment has no fear of punishment at a final Judgement administered by the risen Jesus Christ, Gods Son. The Establishment in their willing ignorance is following the lead of the shadow govt. whose members really are Lucifer followers, as extreme as that concept my be, check out 'The Lucis Trust'.

Lucis/Lucifer Trust from www.servingthenations.org. Look under heading SOCIETY for this article: http://www.servingthenations.org/societyarticle.asp?ArticleID=170UN. The official title of the article is: UN (related) CONFERENCES >
Informed intercession for the UN Helene Bos , 29 September 2007. Locate prayer point 4 to find reference to Lucis/Lucifer Trust. Reference only for info on Lucis Trust not their methods of Christianity which I have not researched.

"The prayer room in the UN HQ is looked after by the Lucis Trust (founded in 1929 as Lucifer Trust(!), in 1932 renamed Lucis Trust). This trust was founded by Alice Bailey (1880-1949), one of the main founders of the New Age philosophy. The Lucis Trust has "Consultative Status", permitting it a close working relationship with UN-bodies and participation in the weekly sessions.

- There are two sides to the Lucis' agenda: the influencing (manipulation) of high positioned politicians towards a New World Order, and the manipulation through occult means to manifest the Plan of the Hierarchy, so establishing the new world religion, in which Lucifer is worshiped."

Rev. 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

The dragon is Lucifer, the Devil.

Rev. 13:15 And there was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast might even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

As US citizens if we don't have legal use of silver and gold coinage and don't repeal national legal tender laws then we are heading toward either a type of the 'beast' cashless society or we will be at the doorstep ready to walk through the doorway into the end times having to face in reality 'the beast coming up out of the earth' .

If this is only a type of the 'beast' cashless society than it is the sworn duty of every Christian to oppose with all their strength this evil. And if it is not known to be a type or the real thing than it is still the duty of anyone calling themselves Christian to fight this evil and oppose it because it is in fact, 'evil' usury.

Rev. 13:16-17 and he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand, or on their forehead and that no one should be able to buy or to sell , except the one who has the mark, the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Word of God , the Bible, condemns usury "...he hath done these abominations, he shall surely die"

I know usury is sinful and evil because God says so in Ezekial 18:5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right, 6 hath....7 and..., and hath covered the naked with a garment ; 8 He hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man, 8....

And, the sentence of death from God for the practitioner of usury, Ezekial 18:10-13 If he beget a son a robber, a shedder of blood and that doeth the like to one of these, 11And... , 12 Hath..., 13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.

So God the judge of all men through his prophet Ezekial passes the death sentence upon the one involved in usury. Pretty extreme? Maybe why the church in the middle ages forbade usury, as it has destructive consequences which we are all witnessing firsthand in our economy which has been taken over for the most part by the purveyors of usury, the International Banking Elites such as Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase , et alia. (sic)

Which is worse, fractional reserve banking or usury? Usury is mixed up in fractional reserve banking from the start so without usury what is fractional reserve banking? Just using paper for exchange if it is feasable (sic) to do so without being a counterfeiter, which I think what fractional reserve banking is at its basis, counterfeiting.

The Word of God in Ezekial vs. oral law of modern day Pharisees, Banker Blankfein

The problem with the Hebrews through Ezekials time was usury, and the problem persists until now, which does not make it any less evil and sinful. Look at the destruction of our economy and try to say usury does not have some big hand in where we are today. We are where we are because of it.

Also, the Words and Word of God has not been held in any high regard by the Hebrews, which was the complaint Jesus had with the Pharisees who held the traditions of men, i.e. the Talmud writings,i.e. Oral Law, in higher stead than the commandments of God. Jesus pronounced many woes upon the Talmudic "Oral Law" lawyers , the Pharisees and Scribes, because they followed the Oral law first, putting it before the commands of God found in the prophets writings such as Ezekial.

Isn't that why someone like Goldman Sachs CEO Blankfein can boast he is doing Gods work? The contents of the Talmud must contain writings that can be construed to endorse usury and destruction of the economy of those people not followers of the Blankfein philosophy of rightouseness (sic) which I suspect is a version of modern day Pharisees based wholly if not entirely on the Talmud traditions.

The contention that Talmudic believers trust the Talmud, Oral law, first and the word of God second , or third or not at all is Biblical because it is the same pattern described by Jesus in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark , Luke and John in his encounters with those who held to the Traditions of men and did not hold to the commandments of God contained in the writings of Moses and the prophets.

Of course those religious Judeans who considered themselves descendents (sic) of Abraham opposed Jesus, calling him iligitimate (sic) and wanted to destroy him. John 8:57 Then said the jews (sic) unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then they took up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst o them, and so passed by.

I understand the current version of the Talmud contains writings refering (sic) to the Lord Jesus in a derogatory manner quite blasphemous, and they also don't recognize the Virgin birth of Jesus, the incarnation of the eternal Son of God in the Virgin Mary. This is to say that the practitioners of the Talmud writings are as opposed as the devil is to the morals and Person of Christ.

Audit the Fed, get rid of Senators who favor the Fed

We need Senators who will help get an audit of the Fed Reserve, who will help us get rid of legal tender laws and help reestablish silver and gold coins as everyday tender, untaxed and legal.

Looking back at hungtingtonsteam's earlier posts, I can see why he's so disoriented. He's been reading the works of anti-Semitic author Eustace Mullins. He's also posted a brief excerpt of one on the Campaign for Liberty website here. That asks the timeless question:
"will we continue to be enslaved by the Babylonian debt money system which was set up by the Federal Reserve Act in 1913 to complete our total destruction?"

Moving on, we come to a detective attempting to solve the non-existent mystery of "Fake gold bars in Bank of England and Fort Knox":

A recent discovery - in October of 2009 - has been suppressed by the main stream media but has been circulating among the "big money" brokers and financial kingpins and is just now being revealed to the public. It involves the gold in Fort Knox - the US Treasury gold - that is the equity of our national wealth. In short, millions (with an "m") of gold bars are fake!

Who did this? Apparently our own government... (r)oughly 15 years ago - during the Clinton Administration [think Robert Rubin, Sir Alan Greenspan and Lawrence Summers]...

Interestingly, GATA's Bill Murphy speculated about this back in 2004; "Why is Rothschild leaving the gold business at this time my colleagues and I conjectured today? Just a guess on my part, but [I] suspect something is amiss. They know a big scandal is coming and they don't want to be a part of it... [The] Rothschild (sic) wants out before the proverbial "S" hits the fan."

Crime solved! Thanks for that. Now about the mystery of the provenance of that conspiracy theory: the post was copied verbatim from the Pakistan Daily website (read here).

Here's a post that touts "33 Conspiracy Theories that Turned out to be True", put on the site by someone calling himself illuminati hater. Mysteriously, only 26 conspiracy theories appear in the post. I assume the Illuminati are responsible for deleting the other 7. The column, which was authored by Jonathan Elinoff of something called the New World Order Report, not surprisingly cites the following as an example of a conspiracy theory which is true:

22. The New World Order: This popular conspiracy theory claims that a small group of international elites controls and manipulates governments, industry and media organisations worldwide. The primary tool they use to dominate nations is the system of central banking. They are said to have funded and in some cases caused most of the major wars of the last 200 years, primarily through carrying out false flag attacks to manipulate populations into supporting them, and have a grip on the world economy, deliberately causing inflation and depressions at will. The people behind the New World Order are thought to be international bankers, in particular the owners of the private banks in the Federal Reserve System, Bank of England and other central banks, and members of the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg Group. Now, although this conspiracy theory was ridiculed for years, it turns out that the Bilderberg does meet and requests no media coverage. They receive no media coverage. The world's elite meet every year and it goes largely unreported, for what?

Discussions at the meetings include the economy, world affairs, war and in general, world policy. After the financial collapse, the Bilderberg played a key role in proposing that the world prepare for a new world order and have a standard world currency. This was propsed shortly after by almost all attendees of the Bilderberg meeting. During the 20th century, many statesmen, such as Woodrow Wilson and Winston Churchill, used the term "new world order" to refer to a new period of history evidencing a dramatic change in world political thought and the balance of power after World War I and World War II. They all saw these periods as opportunities to implement idealistic or liberal proposals for global governance only in the sense of new collective efforts to identify, understand, or address worldwide problems that go beyond the capacity of individual nation-states to solve. These proposals led to the creation of international organizations, such as the United Nations and N.A.T.O., and international regimes, such as the Bretton Woods system and the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, which were calculated both to maintain a balance of power as well as regularize cooperation between nations, in order to achieve a peaceful phase of capitalism. In the aftermath of the two World Wars, progressives welcomed these new international organizations and regimes but argued they suffered from a democratic deficit and therefore were inadequate to not only prevent another global war but also foster global justice. American banker David Rockefeller joined the Council on Foreign Relations as its youngest-ever director in 1949 and subsequently became chairman of the board from 1970 to 1985; today he serves as honorary chairman. In 2002, Rockefeller authored his autobiography Memoirs wherein, on page 405, he wrote:

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents ... to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

Thus, activists around the globe formed a world federalist movement bent on creating a "real" new world order. A number of Fabian socialist intellectuals, such as British writer H. G. Wells in the 1940s, appropriated and redefined the term "new world order" as a synonym for the establishment of a full-fledged social democratic world government. In the 1960s, a great deal of right-wing conspiracist attention, by groups like the John Birch Society and the Liberty Lobby, focused on the United Nations as the vehicle for creating the "One World Government", and contributed to a conservative movement for United States withdrawal from the U.N.. American writer Mary M. Davison, in her 1966 booklet The Profound Revolution, traced the alleged New World Order conspiracy to the creation of the U.S. Federal Reserve System in 1913 by international bankers, who she claimed later formed the Council on Foreign Relations in 1921 as the shadow government. At the time the booklet was published, "international bankers" would have been interpreted by many readers as a reference to a postulated "international Jewish banking conspiracy" masterminded by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. American televangelist Pat Robertson with his 1991 best-selling book The New World Order became the most prominent Christian popularizer of conspiracy theories about recent American history as a theater in which Wall Street, the Federal Reserve System, Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg Group, and Trilateral Commission control the flow of events from behind the scenes, nudging us constantly and covertly in the direction of world government for the Antichrist.

That's all for now. There's just too much to see in this freak show. One blog post can't do the Campaign for Liberty justice. I leave you with this oldie but goody which has been posted on the Ron Paul campaign's website since December 7, 2008, "Free American interviews An Avowed Zionist" posted by freeamerican:


The most feared and hated document ever published!

An Original Translation from the Early 1900s

A Forgery. . . or a Blueprint of the New World Order?

Is it a Jewish plot or a clever ploy by the someone else to blame the Jews? You be the judge after you read this issue of the Free American!

It is to him and his ADL AND MOSSAD friends that I dedicate this issue because it is more powerful than the Protocols about unmasking the perpetrators of a centuries old rape and pillage of the world’s people! Lee states that the Protocols are a forgery and I should take them off my site. I call that censorship and I will not do that. Keep in mind that what he says COULD BE TRUE! But Whoever wrote them are long since dead. Once you read them and understand the psychology behind the plan for one world government is what is happening today. Whether is is the Jews, Muslims, bankers, Masons or the Christian Jesuits is something you need to determine by diligent research. No matter which group is behind the push for One World Government or the New World Order, it is a plan that is in conflict with Christian philosophy upon which this Country and its Constitution is founded. It represents a form of Global Slavery.

Just as William Wallace stood up to the British, and our Founding Fathers fought the Empire on which the sun never sets, if I get your backing and support, I will continue my fight against the New World Order.

From the beginning I have been demonized and marginalized by organizations like the ADL. Why? In the beginning I, like most Americans, had no idea who was behind the atrocities and wars we sacrificed our men and women for. I want to stress that I am not hostile to any race or religion unless that race or religion is pure evil or Satanic. That does not mean EVERY JEW or MUSLIM or CHRISTIAN is EVIL, unless they refuse to recognize the evil around them or choose consciously to ignore it. If you ignore this plea and refuse to get involved, they you become part of the problem and not a solution.

listen to the words of Benjamin Freedman, the Jew that told the truth about the first World War!

This is good, A Zionist Accuses the Film Maker of being a Communist or in the pay of the Arabs to make Jews Look Bad! He wants me to take this off my site.




Clay Douglas

Douglas also offers in the post a DVD for $25 and gives a link to his website. If you do pay a visit to Clayton Douglas' Free American website (read here), you'll be greeted by a banner featuring a smiling photograph of Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel and the following headline: "Ernst Zundel freed by the Sons of Satan, The Antichrist, Edomite, Bolshevik Jews. Ernst told the truth: there was no "Holocaust" of lying Jews, only a "Holocaust OF Christians" BY lying Jews in WWII."

Thanks, Ron Paul, for letting Clayton Douglas advertise on your campaign website free of charge for over two years.


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Anonymous said...

Wow. Now that was entertaining. i don't have the attention span to rumage through all these (what seems like thousands) of crazy conspiracy and hate sites that have cropped up almost everywhere so it was nice just being able to read the highlights. It was both funny and scary.

carmenjonze said...

Oh dear, freeamerican.com.

James David "Long legged mack daddy" Manning is in bed with him.


Anonymous said...

So you take posts that ANYONE can make, and assign the views in them to Ron Paul and the Campaign for Liberty. How do we know YOU didn't post this crap yourself, just to discredit the site you are oh-so-innocently perusing?

Give it up, Holland -- and get a real job.

Adam Holland said...

As it happens, those who post on the Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty Forum are approved by the website's administrators. The application process requires that they reveal their real identities and contact info. The Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty publishes blog posts at their discretion. They can choose to delete offensive material or ban problem bloggers. They are responsible for what appears there.

Moreover, the bloggers there frequently identify themselves on the website, as I indicated in my post. One that I quoted is the head of the local Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty organization in his hometown and the author of a self-published anti-Semitic book. Another is a racist, far-right talk show host.

Needless to say, I did not plant the material I quoted. Do you suspect that I'm also behind the other works these people publish? I find it interesting that you should suspect a nefarious conspiracy set this up. Even when attempting to disassociate the Ron Paul campaign from conspiracy theories, you resort to them yourself.

With respect to my employment, I'm doing fine, but thanks for your concern.

Anonymous said...

The benefit of people like Ron Paul and Glenn Beck is to awaken people who previously put complete trust in the federal government, or 'the system'. It is making people who formerly had no interest in politics or history become educated in both.

However, with that benefit, there is the inevitable side effect of people who swing in the opposite direction, people who put their unquestioning faith in wild, anti government conspiracy theories.

The side effect should not contaminate the broad movement of the American electorate becoming more informed and involved; rather, it should spur people who haven't gone off the deep end to rescue others who are teetering on the edge.

Adam Holland said...

The idea that Ron Paul and Glenn Beck are on the opposite side of a pendulum swing from anti-government conspiracy mongers is so obviously false as to be laughable. They attract paranoid followers precisely because they advocate paranoia as political ideology.

Ron Paul and his associates tend to view American history in conspiratorial terms as the struggle of "elites" to take power away from the states and give it to the federal government. For this reason, they believe our worst presidents to have been Lincoln and FDR, viewing both the Civil War and World War II as the result of conspiracies (or even a single conspiracy) to consolidate federal power. They tend to be 9/11 truthers, Pearl Harbor truthers, believers in bankers conspiracies, and opponents to the "New World Order", the latter being a catch-all conspiracy which can represent whatever current evil catches their fancy.

I'm all for the people becoming more involved in public affairs. I'd like to see greater participation in labor unions, political parties, etc. And I'm all for the people getting out to protest should they be so moved. But I don't like to see populism descending into the John Birch madhouse.

With respect to Beck, unlike Ron Paul, he does not have a fixed, or even coherent, ideology. Within a single interview he can both strongly argue that President Obama is a racist, then deny that he is calling Obama a racist. Arguing with Beck would be like wrestling a jelly fish. He's much too slippery and the potential rewards are nil. I don't take him seriously at all, and those who do do so at their own risk.

Anonymous said...

Nowhere did anyone say Glenn Beck and Ron Paul are opposites of anti-government conspiracy mongers - simply that they have acted as a catalyst in motivating people to inform themselves. In many cases (my own, for example), that process results in a rejection of many of the ideas that sparked the process.

Your knee-jerk reaction to my comment is what's laughable. Are implying every person (and their are millions) who became more politically aware as a result of Beck and Paul is a crazy anti-government, anti-semitic militia member?

Adam Holland said...

1) Contrary to what you wrote, the comment I replied to (yours?) did contrast Paul and Beck with "people who swing in the opposite direction, people who put their unquestioning faith in wild, anti government conspiracy theories." Did you miss that? If it was your comment, your forgetfulness rivals that of Glenn Beck.

2) You ask: "Are implying every person (and their are millions) who became more politically aware as a result of Beck and Paul is a crazy anti-government, anti-semitic militia member?"

I don't believe that all of the Paul/Beck followers are crazies of the kind you describe. I also don't believe that, as you repeatedly say, they've become more politically aware from listening to Paul or Beck.

Both Paul and Beck indoctrinate their followers in the politics of paranoia. While not all of their followers are as paranoid as those I quoted in this post, they are part of the spectrum of paranoid, anti-government beliefs. Both Paul and Beck promote conspiracy theories as the basis of their beliefs.

While I'm glad to see that you mock the militia movement and anti-government extremism as paranoid, how can you hold this view and still support Beck and Paul? Are you troubled by the fact that they disagree with you on this?

One last thing: do you believe that Beck and Paul are part of a single movement / ideology? Your comment (comments?) seem to indicate that you do.

Adam Holland said...

The person who posted the previous two comments has attempted to post a comment which both criticizes the harshness of the tone of my replies to him and uses an obscenity to describe me. I've decided not to post this comment. He's welcome to repost it without the *!?$#@ obscenity. If he'd care to id himself in some manner and take credit for his prior comments, that would also be helpful.

jhimmi said...

One last time, hopefully this one will be posted. I was contrasting people who put their complete faith in their government with those who put their complete faith in anti-government conspiracy theories.

I can empathize with someone who has to deal with attacks from Ron Paul supporters every day, but snide responses to honest and respectful comments are probably not the best way to gain a loyal following.

I will not be back.

Adam Holland said...


1) Your comments defending Paul and Beck as not promoting anti-government conspiracy theories are on the record. You said that paranoid politics were somehow an unintended "side effect" of their work. You offer no evidence of this, and nothing to counter all the evidence to the contrary. Their paranoid world view is essential to their appeal, to their ideologies and to their identities. Without it, what would they be?

I agree with you that their followers are not all crazy, although they are wrong to some degree. And, as I've shown, some are indeed crazy.

2) How was I snide? You're being a bit oversensitive. I took you at your word and made counter-arguments. Nothing wrong with a good argument, is there?

3) There's no need to publish your email. I just wanted to identify who was saying what.

Feel free to continue reading here and to comment or not comment in the future.

Abe Bird said...

Ron Paul is dangerous to the free spirit of the US. I wonder how and why so many Americans look at him with pride and encouragement?!


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