Tuesday, July 28, 2009

Ron Paul forum anti-Semitism

I recently reported on the promotion of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories on the official website maintained by successor organization to Ron Paul's 2008 presidential campaign. This organization, called the Campaign for Liberty (or "C4L") has on its website literally hundreds of webpages devoted to "Illuminati", Rothschilds, Khazars and other similar issues of burning importance. You can read that article here.

I turned over a similar rock called the Liberty Forest which is the Ron Paul campaign's official internet forum. Here's some of what I found scurrying underneath.

It seems sane enough to look at the homepage. The logo reads LIBERTY FOREST: RON PAUL FORUMS and includes a picture of a small tree and a graffiti-like banner reading "Audit the Fed!" Let's go inside.

Here's a page from a forum thread called "Mobilizing the Christians!" Let's check it out. It includes a post by a Ron Paul supporter called "EastWindRain", a "Senior Member" of the forum with 365 posts there. On this page, he has a lengthy post featuring an image of Conde McGinley's American fascist newspaper "Common Sense" with the banner headline "SO CALLED "JEWS" COINED THE WORD "ANTI-SEMITISM" AS A SMEAR-WORD; AS A SMOKE SCREEN FOR COMMUNISM!" (See p. 10 of this pdf for background on "Common Sense".) This is followed by images of George W. Bush near an Israeli flag, and Condoleeza Rice on the dais of an AIPAC convention. These images are followed by a sequence of eight fraudulent quotes from the Talmud, including the following:

"Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

"Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

"Kethuboth 11b. When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."


These absurd pseudo-quotes are followed by the following paragraph:

"Jews are not Semitic people, bur are imposter's, (who have no right to the holy land) who have committed Identity Theft on a MASSIVE Scale, and are using the Christian Religion to make the gullible Christians of the world believe that the creation of Israel is biblical prophesy coming true. It is all an evil plot to destroy Western Civilization and bring it under Talmudic control and law. (Not Biblical law. No more 10 commandments or Christmas as they are "Offensive" to Zionists.) Wake up people and defend your own heritage and freedoms before we are hauled off to the Gulags or death camps (Like they did to Russia) which have already built in America by FEMA!" (sic)


Embedded in this epic post are several YouTube videos blaming "Zionists" for starting World Wars I and II as part of a conspiracy to take over the world. That's about 50 minutes of viewing pleasure for the bigoted conspiracy lunatic. The videos have the title "Benjamin Freedman Speaks: A Jewish Defector Warns America". This is followed by 16 (!) YouTube videos about "Illuminati" and the Council on Foreign Relations. All of these have been marked by YouTube as "removed due to terms of use violations", which most likely means that someone complained that they're hate speech.

This is followed by links to two Google videos claiming that anti-hate speech laws would make Christianity illegal, a video called "Deir Yassin Remembered", and a video (by Holocaust-denier Fredrick Toben of the Australia's Adelaide Institute) called "Kosher Food Tax Scam". The latter propagandizes for gentiles to oppose products being certified kosher because this somehow imposes a "Jewish tax on food". This is followed by more phony quotes from the Talmud and a map of "Khazaria" featuring a large Star of David. Then this:

"The bottom line is the people who currently call themselves Ashkenazi Jews are not descended from Abraham. They are imposter's who have committed identity theft. They are Mongolian/Turks who simply converted to Judaism around 840 AD. They have no legitimate claim to the holy land and they HATE Christianity. Any Christian who supports the terrorist state of fake Israel (not the real Israel spoken of in the bible) is a brainwashed fool lead astray by their pastors who sold out to the Zionists by taking a pay off called the 501c3 Tax Exempt status form. Which allows the church to keep the money collected tax free if they preach only certain sermons. Every Christian should be flipping mad and should now have a desire to get to the bottom of Zionism. And if it is found that Zionism runs contrary to Christianity, then Zionism should be removed from Christian society permanently. We live in a Christian nation. Screw all people, in North America, who think Christmas is "Offensive". Remember "Thou Shalt have no other God's before me". Exodus 20:3

"Ron Paul is the only Presidential Candidate who win end all this garbage and treason" (sic)

EastWindRain signs all his posts with the following:

"Watch "Loss Of Liberty" and learn how 34 Americans were murdered...

Support www.obamacrimes.com; sign the Petition to make Obama show his original Birth Certificate."


Here's another EastWindRain post. It reads:

"The Ron Paul movement has to somehow open its self up to the world. There are many Patriots who live outside the U.S. who want to donate, for they have learned the truth about Zionism and Communism. They have learned how the Federal Reserve works, the USS Liberty Attack, the bombing of Dresden, the Rothschild banking conspiracy, the 9/11 attacks, the fake war on Terror, No more wars for Israel, the evilness of the UN which is controlled by the Zionists etc. Zionism Controls America and the West. Basically the whole world. Globalism, which is under the control of Zionism is destroying the sovereignty of the nations of the world. The Patriots of the world are working towards the destruction of Zionism. Once America is freed other nations will follow. The world must unite to destroy the evils of Zionism.

Learn about the Kosher food tax, the bombing of the King David Hotel, the Lavon Affair, The Talmud, Johnathon Pollard who is a Zionist spy who got caught and is now in prison. I could go on and on. People we have been suckered into believing the lies of the Zionist propaganda television machine. Long live Freedom and long live Freedom of Speech. Research these topics and more, while the Internet is still free. Remember they are trying to shut down the Internet because it is exposing THEIR evils of the past. The Zionists are caught and they know it. This is why they are now passing HATE LAWS to shut the Internet up, so people will remain ignorant and in the dark. If we remain in the dark, we will never wake up, and we will never be able to free ourselves from THEIR evil power structure that they have built for themselves. It is time for the people to get educated and fight back. Smashing the evils of Zionism into oblivion. We are fighting the same enemies that the Founding Fathers fought back in 1776. The evil Rothschild banking cartel and their affiliate members. "The answer to 1984 is 1776". But first we need to educate the masses. Learn as much as you can, as fast as you can. Remember the clock is ticking."


He follows this with:
"The people of the world want to donate to a hero who will fight the evil Zionist New World Order. Ron Paul is that hero. "


Another Ron Paul supporter replies:

"I don't think repeating "evil Zionist New World Order" is doing any good. It scares people off really. induce it with arguments backed by checked facts. Use the same tactic as Ron Paul. Don't call them names."


Here, a forum member called Ricky J (also a Senior Member of the forum with 1,897 posts) writes that:

"If Jews only bought form (sic) Jews they would be in big trouble. I buy from everyone, except Jews. I can't support people that go by the Talmud in any way."


Here is a chapter-long quote from a book called "Descent into Slavery" by Des Grifin. The chapter is called "The House of Rothschild" and includes the following paragraph:

"On September 11th the attack on the World Trade Center is orchestrated by Britain, America and Israel under the orders of the Rothschilds as a pretext for removing the liberty of people worldwide in exchange for security, just as they did with the Reichstag fire in Germany where the citizens were lied to in order to give up liberty for security. They also will use the attacks to gain control of the few nations in the world who don#65533;t allow Rothschild central banks and so less than one month after these attacks, US forces attack Afghanistan, one of only 7 nations in the world who don't have a Rothschild controlled central bank. The Labour Party leader and likely next Prime Minister of the UK is Tony Blair, a Bilderberger and Elite "chosen one". Blair attended the 1993 Bilderberg meeting in Greece with his "opponent" Kenneth Clarke. During his 1996 visit to the United States, Blair met a series of Elite frontmen, including Bill Clinton, Henry Kissinger, Alan Greenspan, head of the Federal Reserve and George Soros, the global financial manipulator who operates under orders from the House of Rothschild. All of them are Bilderbergers.

"Behind the creation of the European Union is the Bilderberg Group, the deeply secretive cartel of leading bankers, heads of transnational corporations, politicians, academics and "opinion formers", media bosses and military chiefs. The Bilderberg Group is part of a network including the Royal Institute of International Affairs (UK), the Council on Foreign Relations (USA) and the Trilateral Commission (USA, Europe, Japan). All work to the same agenda. The European Union we see today has been designed from the very beginning by those who control the Bilderberg Group - the House of Rothschild, the Rockefellers, and the "blue blood" families (tribes) of Europe. The transformation of Europe into a massive centralised dictatorship is only a strand of the global web of deceit I detail in 'And The Truth Shall Set You Free' , but it is a key part of the New World Order agenda for centralised control of the planet. The Elite who dominate the global financial and political systems are seeking to impose a world government, central bank and currency which would oversee and dictate the policies of three groupings of superstates. A small number of extremely wealthy people, descendants of wealthy families in Europe and the U.S, own a major part of the material wealth of the world. This power is concentrated in London which is the centre of the world banking system. The control they exercise is kept within the original families and passed down from generation to generation. They are highly organised, operating in secret through a web of 'private' organisations."


The author apparently believes that grammar and punctuation are instruments of the global Rothschild Bilderberg conspiracy.

The post ends with the question
"How are all of the following individuals and organizations connected? Freemasonry, The Federal Reserve, The Rothschild's, The Rockefeller's, The Carnegies, The Council On Foreign Relations, The United Nations, the Bilderbergers, The Club of Rome, The Trilateral Commission, Lucis Trust,The World Constitution and Parliament Association, Ted Turner, the Jesuits, and the Illuminati."

I don't have the answer to that question, and I wasn't able to find it on the Ron Paul Forum. I did find the text of ... "BENJAMIN FREEDMAN SPEAKS: A JEWISH DEFECTOR WARNS AMERICA", still blaming "Zionists" for World Wars I and II and warning of the Jewish-Bolshevik takeover of the U.S. This thing is pretty popular here. Here's a quote from the last paragraph of the speech:

"Do you know what Jews do on the Day of Atonement, that you think is so sacred to them? I was one of them. This is not hearsay. I'm not here to be a rabble-rouser. I'm here to give you facts. When, on the Day of Atonement, you walk into a synagogue, you stand up for the very first prayer that you recite. It is the only prayer for which you stand. You repeat three times a short prayer called the Kol Nidre. In that prayer, you enter into an agreement with God Almighty that any oath, vow, or pledge that you may make during the next twelve months shall be null and void. The oath shall not be an oath; the vow shall not be a vow; the pledge shall not be a pledge. They shall have no force or effect. And further, the Talmud teaches that whenever you take an oath, vow, or pledge, you are to remember the Kol Nidre prayer that you recited on the Day of Atonement, and you are exempted from fulfilling them. How much can you depend on their loyalty? You can depend upon their loyalty as much as the Germans depended upon it in 1916. We are going to suffer the same fate as Germany suffered, and for the same reason."

After stumbling across Benjamin Freedman's speech in the two instances I just quoted, I decided to search the Ron Paul Forum for the term "Benjamin Freedman". It got 31 hits. (Read here.) Let's compare that to a real issue which is currently being debated. Choose one at random, just to compare. Let's say the "Employee Free Choice Act". That search term gets only 24 hits on the Ron Paul Forum. (Read here.)


Thanks Ron Paul! What other presidential candidate would provide a forum where conspiracy nuts can post anti-Semitic hate literature?

13 comments:

Oldguy said...

Maybe I've led a sheltered life but what the Jewish people have done/do is way low on the list of my priorities.
I'm over 5 decades old and have never been exposed to such virulent anti-semitism as what exists on the web.
And it seemed to ramp up even more when Ron Paul was running.

People need to ask the question why does Ron Paul attract these types?

Beth said...

Any time I start to think Obama's election was the worst possible outcome of 2008, all I have to do is be reminded of how batsh*t insane the Paultards are, and how he feeds their insanity.

Nevermind the fact that he is right on a few issues; like a broken clock, even the worst of the worst despots and cranks get some things right on occasion.

(Of course, a caveat: Obama's election really was the worst POSSIBLE outcome - Ron Paul never had a chance, thank God.)

Beth said...

@Oldguy:

Sometimes I think we've never been exposed to this much anti-Semitism until recently because of the internet. In the past, the lunatics were isolated; now they can find the like-minded kooks and make noise.

Ron Paul probably attracts these crazies because of his anti-Federal Reserve fetish and his idolatry w/r/t the Constitution. (Not that the Constitution should be ignored or dismissed, not at all.) But his consistent ethos of "X is/should be illegal because it's not specifically provided for in the Constitution" is just plain nuts, and it's the same tripe spewed by these anti-Semitic extremists and conspiracy theorists.

Oldguy said...

@Beth
I guess I just had no idea that it was that pervasive.
I mean I was exposed to bigotry when I was very young, I have a vague memory of segregated water fountains when passing through Texas as a child.
But the whole "Jews are evil" thing I never really had any experience with.
To be honest with you I really don't understand the animosity. I mean what is it?
Envy that maybe someone who is Jewish does well with his business. I have nothing against success no matter who has it.
Is it the whole Crucifixion thing?
Pilate sent Jesus to the cross and according to scripture it was preordained.
For Christianity to work he couldn't and shouldn't have been saved even if someone wanted to.
The only thing I can come to from reading about it is that Jews have been vilified throughout history because they are "other".
So why is it OK to be tolerant of other cultures except Israel and the Jews?
Maybe I'm missing something but I have never understood this preoccupation with Jews conspiring to take over the world.

Dan said...

Adam,

You went looking for anti-semites on open political forums and (surprise) you found them.

You could do the same using any common search engine. You can find plenty of anti-semitic rants using google, yahoo, it does not matter.

But you didn't. You went to C4L and other sites affiliated with Ron Paul. After finding anti-semitic rants and forums on those sites you then disparage the small government, pro-liberty, anti-interventionist wing of the Republican party.

I say disparage. "Oldguy" speaks of nuts. "Beth" speaks of Paultards (and more nuts). Another fellow speaks of a cult.

I don't know if this means much to you but you are engaging in a rhetorical fallacy given the rather over-the-top name of "Affirming the Consequent". The attempt to smear politicians using guilt-by-association with unattractive supporters is old. I discuss it a bit in a (too) longish blog of my own - see http://web.me.com/dhansen/Site/Blog/Entries/2009/7/5_Poor_Logic_in_Politics_(I).html

Ron Paul is no anti-semite. Several core economists of the movement were and are Jewish (Rothbard, von Mises, Block). And you will find plenty of people in the community that find the message of individual freedom and small government to be very compelling.

"Oldguy" basically asks - "Why does Ron Paul attract these types?". The answer is simple - they find something attractive in the message. For example, they may like the anti-Fed message.

Regardless, Paul's reason for disliking the Fed is based solely on reasons deriving from his views on monetary policy and his political philosophy.

Why do your anti-semites dislike the Fed? You've been spending some quality time reading (and cutting and pasting) their comments. I think you can figure it out. It doesn't have much to do monetary policy, does it?

So they may support him - but for their own reasons that generally have nothing to do with the movement as a whole.

Presuming that you are trying to have a serious discussion of the small government wing of the Republican party then you do Dr. Paul and yourself a disservice by engaging in this sort of poor logic. It turns your article into a simple ad hominem hit piece.

Now, if that's actually your intent then I've wasted my time. Hopefully not. Hopefully you'll take a look at what the political movement is all and see if there is some common ground that we can work together towards. Say, getting the Fed transparency bill passed.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution said...

So now talking about how 100 Palestinians were murdered by Israelis during "Deir Yassin" is antisemitism?.....Discussing the Lavon Affair(which the Israeli gov't finally admitted to a couple years ago) is AntiSemitism?.....For every item of food that has a Kosher label, the Company(Rabbi's) that certifies its Kosher does get a small tax..You think that money goes to Gentiles?.........Talking about the numerous attrocities committed by the Israeli Gov't is now anti-semitism?..As numerous Jewish/Zionist organizations have made a recent decision to equate "Anti-Zionism is now Anti-Semitism"..Since Anti Semitism is now at such a small, insignificant level, this is what Jewish Supremacist organizations are forced to do, to get their message out & get donations..Find the most extreme, over the Top anti semitic comments on a Board somewhere, take very valid complaints about Zionist organizations, throw it all together w/ your pro Israeli racist views, and try to take down someone like Ron Paul who is Anti-War, & against giving Israel 3+ billion a year to support their Brutal, apartheid Occupation over the poor, indigineous Palestinians.....Mr. Adam Holland, why don't you take each issue by one by one, and explain why EXACTLY each criticism is FACTUALLY WRONG...Stop w/ your Hyperbole & Propaganda..Throw out some facts, if you have them...

Adam Holland said...

I've responded to Dan's comment in a new post here. "Join the Ron Paul Revolution" gets a mention there as well.

oldguy said...

>"Oldguy" basically asks - "Why does Ron Paul attract these types?". The answer is simple - they find something attractive in the message. For example, they may like the anti-Fed message.<
@Dan
You know what?
I ain't buying it.
If you think Ron Paul was the only one in history to have an "anti-fed" history then I got a bridge to sell you.
I know for a fact that anti-Semites aren't one issue believers, it's the whole package they support and Ron Paul has had some pretty unsavory associations in the past.
I'm over 50 years old, my memories go back a couple 3-4 decades and Ron Pauls history goes back even further.
This last year wasn't the first time I have ever heard of him. He was considered a crack pot then, and as far as I can tell, anyone who remembers him from the 70's feels the same way.
Since seniors do the heavy lifting when it comes to voting RP will be long gone before he'll ever be in a position to damage this country.
Give it up and search for an honorable cause, because Ron Paul and a few of his stolen ideas ain't it.

Anonymous said...

"HATE BILL"-OBSESSED CONGRESS

If "hate bill"-obsessed Congress [and Obama] can't protect Christians from "gays" as much as it wants to protect "gays" from Christians, will Congress be surprised if it can't protect itself from most everyone?
If "hate bills" are forced on captive Americans, they'll still find ways to sneakily continue to "plant" Biblical messages everywhere. By doing so they'll hasten God's judgment on their oppressors as revealed in Proverbs 19:1.
(See related web items including "David Letterman's Hate, Etc.," "Separation of Raunch and State," "Michael the Narc-Angel," "Obama Avoids Bible Verses," and "Tribulation Index becomes Rapture Index.")
Since Congress can't seem to legislate "morality," it's making up for it by legislating "immorality"!

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Adam Holland said...

Anonymous:

"Thank you" for "commenting".

I'm sure that everyone who reads your comment will be praying for you.

Anonymous said...

What antivirus do you use? Or antispyware.

Anonymous said...

Here is another Gem From the Ron Paul Forums: The writers name is "QE is Theft" and his recent quote is "I fear that the Zionist's will freak out at some point (they're very paranoid) and start WWIII, even if in doing so, knowing they will bring about their own destruction (see Samson Doctrine).

To say that Israel is a danger to the world is an understatement.

They are bar-none the biggest threat to global security given their ideology, location, weaponry, and predisposition towards paranoia.

Hopefully, NORAD has them at the top of the list of countries to watch, and not Iran, or some other Muslim nation."

It seems like Ron paul supporters love anyoen who hates Israel as much as they do. That includes Iran, the president of Iran, the palistenians and so on.

Anonymous said...

As a Jewish person the Zionist make me cringe. The anti defamation league has heavily backed the LGBT and they both are basically the same people. Yet Abe Foxman as Judaism it self says in Leviticus , homosexuality is an abomination! So why are Jews promoting this?

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