tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post1928777643005843465..comments2023-12-28T09:21:30.579-05:00Comments on Adam Holland: Fascist follies in the European ParliamentAdam Hollandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06245468599571473818noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-42973607445762476032010-04-22T16:07:27.205-04:002010-04-22T16:07:27.205-04:00Lynea:
Although I don't believe that what you...Lynea:<br /><br />Although I don't believe that what you say is accurate, let's say for the sake of argument that it is. In what way can my criticisms of Hungary's far right be considered hateful of Hungarians? Do you equate Hungary's neo-fascists with the country as a whole?Adam Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245468599571473818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-18216876591372778852010-04-22T11:55:07.732-04:002010-04-22T11:55:07.732-04:00That Hungarian garb you see is not an old style Hu...That Hungarian garb you see is not an old style Hungarian military jacket. That jacket happens to be traditional Hungarian dress coat for a man. <br /><br />Did you say this on accident (for not knowing anything about Hungarian culture) or because you are hateful towards Hungarians?Lyneahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03400799213268395815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-38018898390885755122009-07-29T20:42:34.861-04:002009-07-29T20:42:34.861-04:00Anonymous:
You are just wrong, both about the Mag...Anonymous:<br /><br />You are just wrong, both about the Magyar Garda uniforms not being based on the Arrow Cross ones, and about my censoring comments. <br /><br />Do you oppose the Magyar Garda being associated with fascism because you oppose fascism or do you just oppose my revealing this to an English speaking audience?<br /><br />Why do you wish to conceal the very obvious fascism of this group?Adam Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245468599571473818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-82740580626939704412009-07-28T15:03:54.935-04:002009-07-28T15:03:54.935-04:00great, i see you even censor comments. congrats.great, i see you even censor comments. congrats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-28645183054216250782009-07-28T15:02:26.393-04:002009-07-28T15:02:26.393-04:00great article, congratulations. except for the fac...great article, congratulations. except for the fact that it's full of inconsistencies. <br /><br />as I don't want to reason for hours and waste my time contradicting every single false statement you made, let me give you a very simple example: <br /><br />Those costumes worn by the magyar garda, my firend, are traditional Hungarian national costumes, and have been around for hundreds of years. <br />if you're doing some "original" research, get the facts right, don't just google some random WWII guys with black uniforms. (yes, both uniforms are black, but that's it. does that prove anything to you?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-77705086223296866922009-07-19T17:51:07.670-04:002009-07-19T17:51:07.670-04:00Bóbita:
You have a point concerning Morvai's ...Bóbita:<br /><br />You have a point concerning Morvai's speech. She did not explicitly state that Hungary was worse then Iran. Her speech did, however, equate the two situations and state that the EU shouldn't examine Iran's suppression of human rights until after it looks at Hungary. So if, as you argue, she doesn't believe that Hungary is worse than Iran, she is arguing that the EU should look at the less important issue as a precondition to looking at the important one. Are you sure that you are defending her by making this argument?<br /><br />Feel free to use this space to provide information to support her argument concerning Hungary's human rights record; in spite of your insults, I will not censor you. But you should know that the standard which Morvai has set, that of Iran, is completely absurd with reference to any allegations concerning Hungary. Even her own hyperbolic charges pale by comparison to the Iranian record, as you seem to realize.<br /><br />With respect to your claim that the 2006 riots represented a political cross-section, this is false. Were center-right demonstrators there? Yes. The nominally center-right Fidesz <i>did</i> play a leadership role, but as you undoubtedly know, there is no brick wall between the center and far right in Hungary. Fidesz has worked with MIEP and Jobbik for many years. The implied argument that Fidesz leadership indicates that the demonstrations were not far-right seems without merit. Viktor Orban called for the massive demonstrations in spite of widely published warnings that elements of the far-right would be out to incite violence. The instigators of the violence were precisely those who now seek to use it for political gain.<br /><br />You should understand that the point of my post is not to defend the Hungarian government in general, or the police handling of the 2006 riots in particular, but to point out how absurd and disproportionate Morvai's charges are. For Jobbik to raise this issue is downright cynical. To support Morvai's arguments, one must have a vastly inflated view of the wrongs of the Hungarian government and a complete lack of concern about the crimes of the Iranian regime. One must also completely ignore the far-right's responsibility for instigating violence. <br /><br />Readers can go <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6081974.stm" rel="nofollow"> here</a> and <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1006/p07s02-woeu.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://esbalogh.typepad.com/hungarianspectrum/2009/04/the-hungarian-farright-jobbik-.html" rel="nofollow"> here </a> for more information. <br /><br />Bóbita, feel free to state what other facts you believe that I've misstated. Would you like to address Morvai's party's role in violating the human rights of Hungary's Roma, or in advocating hatred of Jews? What kind of "human rights lawyer" (as she constantly calls herself) advocates against the human rights of minority groups in her country?Adam Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245468599571473818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-34874490542672427702009-07-19T16:16:52.361-04:002009-07-19T16:16:52.361-04:00The poor writer might have misundertsood the talk ...The poor writer might have misundertsood the talk of Morvai slightly:<br />1.) She did not say that the human right situation in Hungary is worse than that in Iran.<br />2.) The attack she talked about was not only against the far right people in Hungary but also against demonstrators from all other backgrounds.<br /><br />It is understandable that the writer is not in picture with regards to the Hungarian events and politics but it would be wiser for him to study it first before forming and communicating an opinion with incorrectly quoted facts. If he want to write about the topic at all of course.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01656393495214209750noreply@blogger.com