tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post4987969487467432907..comments2023-12-28T09:21:30.579-05:00Comments on Adam Holland: Alan Hart: Israel did 9/11 and may nuke the U.S.Adam Hollandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06245468599571473818noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-1190846907771064392011-09-13T13:03:29.653-04:002011-09-13T13:03:29.653-04:00A typical exchange with anti-semitic Troofers.
On...A typical exchange with anti-semitic Troofers.<br /><br />On the point of whether Stephen Jones et al's paper has been discredited in peer-reviewed journals......it hasn't because Jones et al never published in peer-reviewed journals, so there can't be a paper in peer-review journal critiquing what has never been published in peer-reviewed journal.<br /><br />Jones et al chose to publish in Bentham, a pay-to-publish journal, from which the editor resigned following publication. <br /><br />To respond to this vanity-press article, it would require the authors paying over $600, on top of doing the work to point out the flaws. <br /><br />However, the papers have been thoroughly rubbished, both in terms of its methodology and its conclusions. The chain of custody of the samples is the most obvious flaw to a layman - though that's never addressed by Troofers. <br /><br />Nor have Jones et al provided anybody else with samples of their dust.....so it has been impossible for anybody to either repeat or repeal the findings of Jones et al.<br /><br />This is an obvious limitation to Troofer claims. Not that they care.<br /><br />I'm sure all this is well-known, but it's worth repeating.the_last_name_lefthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12276770064991215910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-43425684924513180072011-03-09T08:57:10.844-05:002011-03-09T08:57:10.844-05:00So Adam,
What PROOF do you have that 19 Saudis di...So Adam,<br /><br />What PROOF do you have that 19 Saudis did it?<br /><br />NONE. They have NOT been convivted in a court of law.<br />8 are STILL ALIVE!!!<br />It is just a CONSIRACY THEORY Spun by a HEAVILY Pro-Israeli Media!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-75218853766730128922010-08-14T21:19:53.491-04:002010-08-14T21:19:53.491-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Adam Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245468599571473818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-45443194649322980272010-08-14T10:40:03.047-04:002010-08-14T10:40:03.047-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-49746750571597704232010-07-13T13:13:41.157-04:002010-07-13T13:13:41.157-04:00For those interested in reading Gordon Duff's ...For those interested in reading Gordon Duff's blog, start <a href="http://www.veteranstoday.com/tag/jews/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, with the articles tagged with the subject "Jews".<br /><br />You will find those defenders of anti-Semitism Gilad Atzmon and Israel Shamir, and an article which implies that Zionists work for the devil. You can also read Duff's Duff's own columns defending Holocaust deniers such as Bishop Williamson of the SSPX. Within two paragraphs of one of Duff's columns, he first defends himself not as a denier of the Holocaust, but a skeptic advocating minimizing the Holocaust:<br /><br /><i>"The true story of the holocaust is, historically, much different than the one told but I see nothing so far to tell me that it is totally different." </i><br /><br />He then goes on to claim that the use of gas chambers to kill Jews is not only unproven, but that it has not been researched or documented, and that the history has been falsified by some nefarious conspiracy:<br /><br /><i>"If people want to dig around in gas chambers or try to prove something didn’t happen, let them. Make them prove it. It would be nice if honest and competent historians studied the era free of prejudice and turned out a supportable history of Germany during the Nazi era. The one we have is almost a total lie. Germans know this but few others do."</i><br /><br />And yet he says he is not a denier.<br /><br />Gordon Duff says that he will "take Alan Hart over Adam Holland". Take him. You deserve each other.Adam Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245468599571473818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-11407218167451136822010-07-13T12:55:24.976-04:002010-07-13T12:55:24.976-04:00Gordon Duff:
You failed to indicate what you didn...Gordon Duff:<br /><br />You failed to indicate what you didn't "find credible" in this piece. In fact, there are no factual errors in it, as you must admit. You have a right to your opinions, but not your own facts. If you can cite some error in this piece, knock yourself out. If you can't, the reader can just chalk it up as another baseless charge from someone who seems to specialize in them.Adam Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245468599571473818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-32675538798173256602010-07-13T12:14:22.398-04:002010-07-13T12:14:22.398-04:00I take Alan Hart over Adam Holland. I do not find...I take Alan Hart over Adam Holland. I do not find what is written here credible, but, hell, what would I know. I am no "Adam Holland."<br /><br />Gordon Duffgpdufhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17768839543435385816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-40299998344146537342010-05-29T21:07:30.124-04:002010-05-29T21:07:30.124-04:00...and thanks for the link. Your blog is great an......and thanks for the link. Your blog is great and everyone should check it out here: http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/Adam Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245468599571473818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-70070826110073240562010-05-29T21:05:30.829-04:002010-05-29T21:05:30.829-04:00Believe me Pat, on the Six Day War, he's not m...Believe me Pat, on the Six Day War, he's not much of an expert either, in spite of his having reported on it. His ideological biases have utterly overwhelmed his powers of observation, as evidenced by this interview.Adam Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245468599571473818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-26506086344315574862010-05-29T16:42:04.166-04:002010-05-29T16:42:04.166-04:00Good job of transcribing Hart's 9-11 nuttery. ...Good job of transcribing Hart's 9-11 nuttery. I am struck by how convincing he can sound when expounding on topics like the 6-Day War, where I'm not any kind of expert. But the moment he got into the 9-11 nonsense, I realized he's just another garden-variety kook.<br /><br />I will link from Screw Loose Change.Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05060349239296193385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-3725689940077630722010-05-29T10:48:59.219-04:002010-05-29T10:48:59.219-04:00Infensus:
The problem with your sources isn't...Infensus:<br /><br />The problem with your sources isn't that I "don't like them" so slander them unjustly as bigots, as you baselessly claim. The fact of what they are and what you are should be readily apparent to any fair observer. If readers want to, they should see for themselves. They should go to your blog, "Crimes of Zion", and follow its links. The bulk of them go to a handful of websites with no purpose other than the promotion of conspiracy theories concerning Jewish control of the world. You can reject the label anti-Semite if you want to, but you'd be putting lipstick on a pig as far as most people are concerned. <br /><br />If you'd care to describe how you came to the conclusion that Jews carried out 9/11 and are have succeeded in concealing this, knock yourself out. Do you agree with Alan Hart about remote control cell phones and dancing Israelis? Do you agree with him about Israel planning to nuke an American city to cover up a genocide they plan to carry out in the Middle East? Do you agree with Alan Sabrosky that a vast conspiracy within the U.S. military is concealing their knowledge that Israel carried out 9/11? Sabrosky now calls the vast majority of American Jews traitors. Do you agree with that? If you do, then why do you reject being called an anti-Semite? That would seem to be your main point, wouldn't it? <br /><br />By the way, do you have any problem using material taken directly from neo-Nazis? Apparently, Kevin Barrett doesn't.Adam Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245468599571473818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-26328327048211907162010-05-29T00:12:19.568-04:002010-05-29T00:12:19.568-04:00Is that called retroactive clairvoyance or paranoi...Is that called retroactive clairvoyance or paranoia?Adam Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245468599571473818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-79701268015372964682010-05-29T00:01:42.571-04:002010-05-29T00:01:42.571-04:00Adam: You're right, the USS Liberty incident i...Adam: You're right, the USS <i>Liberty</i> incident is not a good example of a false flag attack, since Israel failed to sink the ship, but had they gotten away with it they surely would've been happy to blame it on Egypt. So more accurately, it was a foiled false flag attempt, but undoubtedly a false flag operation.Infensus Mentishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08945395842159923089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-73664602283704013222010-05-28T23:56:23.643-04:002010-05-28T23:56:23.643-04:00Adam:
You say that the evidence listed at my blog...Adam:<br /><br />You say that the evidence listed at my blog is "hardly proof of anything other than your ideological beliefs" based solely on the fact that you don't like some of the websites I link to, which is not surprising considering that you see 'anti-Semitism' everywhere you look, but do you dispute the veracity of the <i>information</i> I provide? I suspect all you did was hover over the links. Much of the information comes from mainstream sources like Salon, Haaretz and <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm" rel="nofollow">Fox News</a>, reproduced on other sites. Is Fox also a "hate website"? <br /><br />You ask me: "how do you explain the internal contradictions in the movement's contentions, its absurd charges of time travel, holograms, space aliens, teleporting, and, most relevant here, dancing Mossad agents operating planes via remote control cell phones and transponders." But you are clearly attempting to discredit important, compelling evidence by associating it with the conjecture of nutters and fools, rather than addressing the serious stuff. There is a mountain of evidence linking Israel to the 9/11 attacks and <a href="http://newdemocracyworld.org/Noevidence.pdf" rel="nofollow">no credible evidence implicating cave-dwelling Muslim fanatics</a>. <br /><br />You also claim that the scientific study by Steven Jones, Niels Harrit and seven others has been disproved under peer review. I provided you with a reference when presenting my case: would you kindly do the same? If the Active Thermitic Materials paper has been proven to be flawed, I'd like to know about it. I'm open to new information. Thanks in advance.Infensus Mentishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08945395842159923089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-59670313498521260072010-05-28T23:24:14.890-04:002010-05-28T23:24:14.890-04:00By the way, Infesus, in the blog post you linked t...By the way, Infesus, in the blog post you linked to, you refer repeatedly to Israel's attack on the USS Liberty as a false-flag attack. How do you define that term?Adam Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245468599571473818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-19924587220930663502010-05-28T23:02:21.007-04:002010-05-28T23:02:21.007-04:00Infensus Mentis :
The first link you provide as ...Infensus Mentis : <br /><br />The first link you provide as evidence goes to a blog that you maintain consisting of links to a variety of conspiracy theory and hate websites blaming Jews for everything except the weather. That's hardly proof of anything other than your ideological beliefs. The second link goes to a page providing an abstract of a study by the best known truther scientist Steven Jones (see below) claiming that he found an explosive called thermite near the WTC. The third link goes to a detailed report based on the theories of Stephen Jones. His theories regarding the WTC being destroyed by thermite have been disproved when subjected to peer reviewed analysis by the best in the field, as I understand it. Is there some reason that the best scientists and engineers would be in on some kind of conspiracy to suppress information that would confirm Jones' thermite theory? If so, what would that be?<br /><br />I'm more than willing to let you post this stuff, but you should try instead to argue the scientific facts with an expert in the field, if that's you inclination. You should have no problem finding many who disagree with your conclusions. <br /><br />In any event, if you are so convinced of the truth of your beliefs, how do you explain the internal contradictions in the movement's contentions, its absurd charges of time travel, holograms, space aliens, teleporting, and, most relevant here, dancing Mossad agents operating planes via remote control cell phones and transponders. That's what Hart alleges. This is your idea of 9/11 truth? Give me a break!Adam Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245468599571473818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-78288592240122233582010-05-28T22:25:37.779-04:002010-05-28T22:25:37.779-04:00Kudos to Adam Holland for at least publishing the ...Kudos to Adam Holland for at least publishing the comments of those with opposing views. I didn't expect that. <br /><br />Adam, you point out that Dr. Alan Sabrosky and Alan Hart provide little evidence for their assertions about Israel's role in the 9/11 attacks (both had very little time to do so in the interviews). As you can see from my comment above, I've <a href="http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/p/9-11.html" rel="nofollow">listed the evidence</a> in some detail at my own blog. How do you respond now that that information has been made available to you?Infensus Mentishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08945395842159923089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-9638159796441066752010-05-28T13:54:26.657-04:002010-05-28T13:54:26.657-04:00Anonymous:
I don't know who Col. Jenny or Ara...Anonymous:<br /><br />I don't know who Col. Jenny or Arabesque are and I'm pretty sure the readers of this post won't either. What are you raving about?Adam Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245468599571473818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-71592600040296828512010-05-28T07:54:02.555-04:002010-05-28T07:54:02.555-04:00I must admit, it is GREAT fun watching you shills ...I must admit, it is GREAT fun watching you shills flounder around as more people wake up to the Israeli role in 9/11.The Col. Jennys,Arabesques and other well known disinfo shills are really starting to get angry that its no longer just about blaming Bush and arabs for the attacks. Losing your grip and I love it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-52121668292891047432010-05-28T06:12:31.948-04:002010-05-28T06:12:31.948-04:00There's plenty of evidence linking Israel to t...There's plenty of <a href="http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/p/9-11.html" rel="nofollow">evidence linking Israel to the 9/11 attacks</a>, and a <a href="http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM" rel="nofollow">peer-reviewed scientific study</a> has proven beyond doubt that <a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html" rel="nofollow">traces of unreacted nano-thermitic material are present in dust samples</a>.<br /><br />Crucial evidence disputing the official story is in - now it needs to be made available to the people of the world for consideration and critical analysis.Infensus Mentishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08945395842159923089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-24791599983712971892010-05-27T10:49:33.757-04:002010-05-27T10:49:33.757-04:00I'm a bit surprised by the extremity of Hart&#...I'm a bit surprised by the extremity of Hart's charges. Hart's career as an anti-Israel activist is built to some degree on maintaining the appearance of sanity. As a former journalist with a sonorous voice and an ability to ad lib in public appearances, he serves an important PR function. When he starts talking about remote-controlled planes operated by dancing Mossad agents, "controlled ground explosions", and Israeli false-flag nuclear attacks on the U.S. designed to cover up a planned genocide of Palestinians, the mask of respectability, such as it is, has slipped. That's why I wrote about this. <br /><br />By the way, I wonder what Hart's good friend Ilan Pappe has to say about this. He should go on the record as to whether this sort of "discourse" has a place in his movement.Adam Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245468599571473818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4718120950252476804.post-14572327970689440022010-05-27T09:22:22.243-04:002010-05-27T09:22:22.243-04:00You're surprised?
I'm not
Jonathan Hoff...You're surprised? <br /><br />I'm not<br /><br />Jonathan HoffmanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com